Aleks Wansbrough: You have recently written about neo-feudalism. I was wondering how you became interested in the idea, given your previous theorization of communicative capitalism.

Jodi Dean: I have been working on this concept of neo-feudalism for a little over a year. It is a thought experiment at this point as I am still figuring out whether neo-feudalism actually names something or whether it is just a metaphor.

I think it does name something, but I may be wrong. I started thinking about this idea because of McKenzie Wark’s book, Capitalism Is Dead. She asks us to consider the possibility that we are no longer living under capitalism anymore but something worse.

The first time I came across her concept, my reaction was to dismiss it as stupid. Of course this is capitalism. But it kept eating at me. Usually, if you don’t think an idea is a good...

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